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On this episode of Fully Vested, they join hosts Patrick Scott and DeFi Dave to talk through what happens when a project goes from zero to a top fee-generating protocol, and why Ozzy chose to pull Pons' V2 offline just days after launch. The conversation also covers RootsFi, the payments and neobank project Ozzy and Carl cofounded together, and why they think reputation is the real moat in a space where anyone can fork a product overnight.

0:00 Intro

5:26 Introducing Pons

10:36 The V2 shutdown: what went wrong and why they paused it

14:13 Lessons on patience and moving slower after going viral

17:46 What moats look like when anyone can fork your product

22:54 Why builders like Robinhood Chain's hands-off approach

30:34 Taking the neobank route with RootsFi

35:36 Who will win the neobank wars?

40:01 Advice for crypto founders in the spotlight

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